I expected this turn of events, Jen, so agree with your take.
Part of the herringesque character of this particular "disclosure" is the specificity of the term "Epstein Client List."
I never knew what that was supposed to mean. There were memetic images of a "black book" of phone numbers, ostensibly implicating this or that person. But what exactly is a "client list"? A spreadsheet? A Word file? Download of somebody's e-mail or phone address book? Six depositions and a spiral-bound notebook? Client of what sort?
So any discussion of the topic always sent up red flags for me.
> People have little idea how deep, vast, and evil this network is. Whole institutions and corporations could be involved…including ones that we see in everyday life.
Even the distance between people's understanding and the reality is, itself, more than can be comprehended. Including by those of us who've worked in and around large information systems. Likely even by those within the network you suggest. That's the nature of power, and of evil.
The sheer difficulty of characterizing THE THING being discussed, and named in various ways, is part of its camo.
Maybe 10 years ago friends were talking about headlines regarding hanky panky in some state's lottery system. I forget the state or the exact set of issues. But it was on order of someone facing legal action for acting on their knowledge of what lotto numbers would win. The friends I was talking to were kicking that around, and I realized they had no comprehension of how the gaming industry works. These friends actually thought that when they watched Power Ball or whatever it was called--the ping pong balls tumbling, someone pulling them out in turn--that that was actually how winning numbers were chosen. They had no idea that number selection had actually been done in a random-number-algorithm spreadsheet somewhere, and that the tumbling-ball-drama was theatrics.
Similarly, they had no idea how casinos are painstakingly engineered to ensure the house wins, to varying percent of edge, via manipulating human reactions/cognitive bias/addictive behaviors. That's the real game, the Skinner Box engagement of casino customers to get the desired returns.
I sense a parallel in the "Epstein" topic. Someone is playing the emotions and reactions of people for gain...maintaining their engagement...but in the end, the house controls the game. Whatever the game, and the house, might be. Part of the engagement, I sense, is the element of frustration, as people are wrangled by the bridle and bit of their keen, decent desire for "truth" and "justice," and their compassion for innocents ground up in the cogs of the mighty's machines. Another part of the engagement: appeal to prurient interest in degenerates' acts. At that level, a lot more people have been turned into "Epstein clients" than they may realize.
the Skinner box mechanics, are much more pervasive, than most people realize. the very concept of 'social media' is derived from such mechanics and psychology. combine that with an aspect of hegelian dialectical, and you can picture and correlated everything wrong with our society these days. including the situation with Epstein's 'client list'. wykyk.
I think we can all agree that when we say "The Epstein List", what we're really talking about is the connections and the investigations and the court documents. The evidence collectively would "create" a list of perpetrators.
Very well said, thanks. I should stop getting annoyed at all the doomers who can't seem to grasp the fact that they CAN'T just release a bunch of porn video and possibly worse. I also suspect there are ongoing investigations that they can't or won't talk about right now so they have to deflect.
Yeah, that’s very careful phrasing. So disappointing. You’re telling me there’s hundreds of hours of footage of victims, but somehow no video of perpetrators? Like, how would that even be possible given that these are presumably fixed cameras and not like handheld phone recordings? Just sickening.
The most disappointed person on missing a list and videos, must be Pee Diddy. I’m sure that he was looking forward to seeing how he measured up to a world class playboy, pimp, voyeur. All those films of Victoria Secrets models, and children to boot. I think I just threw up in my mouth. 🤢🤮 Thank goodness the guy has left this world.
Manhattan-based U.S. District Judge Richard Berman blocked any attempt to unlock the Epstein case file. On Aug. 11, a different Manhattan-based judge, Paul Engelmayer, denied a similar request by the Justice Department to unseal grand jury testimony and exhibits from the case of Ghislaine Maxwell, Epstein's longtime girlfriend. Red Herring most likely as too much bribery of judges afoot here as well as the overwhelming data base as j.a.sparks stated.
I expected this turn of events, Jen, so agree with your take.
Part of the herringesque character of this particular "disclosure" is the specificity of the term "Epstein Client List."
I never knew what that was supposed to mean. There were memetic images of a "black book" of phone numbers, ostensibly implicating this or that person. But what exactly is a "client list"? A spreadsheet? A Word file? Download of somebody's e-mail or phone address book? Six depositions and a spiral-bound notebook? Client of what sort?
So any discussion of the topic always sent up red flags for me.
> People have little idea how deep, vast, and evil this network is. Whole institutions and corporations could be involved…including ones that we see in everyday life.
Even the distance between people's understanding and the reality is, itself, more than can be comprehended. Including by those of us who've worked in and around large information systems. Likely even by those within the network you suggest. That's the nature of power, and of evil.
The sheer difficulty of characterizing THE THING being discussed, and named in various ways, is part of its camo.
Maybe 10 years ago friends were talking about headlines regarding hanky panky in some state's lottery system. I forget the state or the exact set of issues. But it was on order of someone facing legal action for acting on their knowledge of what lotto numbers would win. The friends I was talking to were kicking that around, and I realized they had no comprehension of how the gaming industry works. These friends actually thought that when they watched Power Ball or whatever it was called--the ping pong balls tumbling, someone pulling them out in turn--that that was actually how winning numbers were chosen. They had no idea that number selection had actually been done in a random-number-algorithm spreadsheet somewhere, and that the tumbling-ball-drama was theatrics.
Similarly, they had no idea how casinos are painstakingly engineered to ensure the house wins, to varying percent of edge, via manipulating human reactions/cognitive bias/addictive behaviors. That's the real game, the Skinner Box engagement of casino customers to get the desired returns.
I sense a parallel in the "Epstein" topic. Someone is playing the emotions and reactions of people for gain...maintaining their engagement...but in the end, the house controls the game. Whatever the game, and the house, might be. Part of the engagement, I sense, is the element of frustration, as people are wrangled by the bridle and bit of their keen, decent desire for "truth" and "justice," and their compassion for innocents ground up in the cogs of the mighty's machines. Another part of the engagement: appeal to prurient interest in degenerates' acts. At that level, a lot more people have been turned into "Epstein clients" than they may realize.
the Skinner box mechanics, are much more pervasive, than most people realize. the very concept of 'social media' is derived from such mechanics and psychology. combine that with an aspect of hegelian dialectical, and you can picture and correlated everything wrong with our society these days. including the situation with Epstein's 'client list'. wykyk.
Excellent! Thank you.
I think we can all agree that when we say "The Epstein List", what we're really talking about is the connections and the investigations and the court documents. The evidence collectively would "create" a list of perpetrators.
Very well said, thanks. I should stop getting annoyed at all the doomers who can't seem to grasp the fact that they CAN'T just release a bunch of porn video and possibly worse. I also suspect there are ongoing investigations that they can't or won't talk about right now so they have to deflect.
Yeah, that’s very careful phrasing. So disappointing. You’re telling me there’s hundreds of hours of footage of victims, but somehow no video of perpetrators? Like, how would that even be possible given that these are presumably fixed cameras and not like handheld phone recordings? Just sickening.
Agree completely. Like a magician's sleight-of-hand. Look here, not there.
Spot on Jen!
The most disappointed person on missing a list and videos, must be Pee Diddy. I’m sure that he was looking forward to seeing how he measured up to a world class playboy, pimp, voyeur. All those films of Victoria Secrets models, and children to boot. I think I just threw up in my mouth. 🤢🤮 Thank goodness the guy has left this world.
Manhattan-based U.S. District Judge Richard Berman blocked any attempt to unlock the Epstein case file. On Aug. 11, a different Manhattan-based judge, Paul Engelmayer, denied a similar request by the Justice Department to unseal grand jury testimony and exhibits from the case of Ghislaine Maxwell, Epstein's longtime girlfriend. Red Herring most likely as too much bribery of judges afoot here as well as the overwhelming data base as j.a.sparks stated.
https://www.gettyimages.com/photos/trump-and-epstein